ESRB Says It Doesn't See 'Loot Boxes' As Gambling

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“ESRB does not consider loot boxes to be gambling,” said an ESRB spokesperson in an e-mail to Kotaku. “While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don’t want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you’ll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you’ve had your eye on for a while. But other times you’ll end up with a pack of cards you already have.”

The ESRB, which rates the majority of video games that are sold and published in North America with both letter grades (M for Mature, E for Everyone) and content descriptors (Blood and Gore, Nudity), has categories for both Real Gambling and Simulated Gambling. According to the ESRB’s criteria, “Real Gambling” is any sort of wagering involving real cash, while “Simulated Gambling” means that the “player can gamble without betting or wagering real cash or currency.” The spokesperson added that any game with real gambling will always receive an “Adults Only” rating, which would be poisonous for big publishers, as most big-box retailers will not sell A-O games in their stores.

The ESRB’s argument may not sit well with those who believe that loot boxes are designed in the same predatory fashion as slot machines or craps tables. Many of this fall’s games, including Shadow of War, Destiny 2, and the upcoming Star Wars Battlefront II, feature systems in which you can spend real money to get randomized gear in the form of loot boxes. The addition of these microtransactions in $60 games is always a sore subject, made far worse when they have an impact on your character’s strength and abilities, as they do in these games. (Battlefront II is not out yet, but in our own extensive experience, loot boxes in both Shadow of War and Destiny 2 are easy to ignore, although their existence lingers.)

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Kuang Grade Mark Eleven

So a lottery where you have a 100% chance to win at least one cent isn't gambling. These game rating agencies are a haven for lobbyists of the gaming industry - so they distort the truth until it fits best their agenda.


Planetary
hbarkas said:

So a lottery where you have a 100% chance to win at least one cent isn't gambling. These game rating agencies are a haven for lobbyists of the gaming industry - so they distort the truth until it fits best their agenda.

You speak pure gold my friend, hope someday people would wake up and stand against these greedy companies.


Interstellar

I'm not a big fan of microtransactions, but I'm also not a big fan of government n' what not getting involved in gaming. We as consumers have a right not to play these games, and I don't play a lot of these games that do absurd things. But I don't want the government interference, if someone tolerates it and chooses to play the game, that's their choice.

In terms of chance based products, we've had that for years. Packs of cards, I bought as a kid, now I see all these blind bags for little toys and what not, there clearly is an element of chance. If that is gambling, then all gambling should be legal. Buying stocks is a game of chance to, stocks can go up and down. Life is full of choices with an element of chance, I hope to god the government doesn't try to take that away from all of us.


Planetary
hbarkas said:

So a lottery where you have a 100% chance to win at least one cent isn't gambling. These game rating agencies are a haven for lobbyists of the gaming industry - so they distort the truth until it fits best their agenda.

Wouldnt say any better.


Lunar
hbarkas said:

So a lottery where you have a 100% chance to win at least one cent isn't gambling. These game rating agencies are a haven for lobbyists of the gaming industry - so they distort the truth until it fits best their agenda.

I agree. I think that you could make an argument that buying cosmetics via lootboxes isn't gambling, but in games where buying lootboxes give you an advantage in the game it should definitely be called gambling because you are gambling for an advantage, not spending money on random cosmetics.


I do not buy games with paid 'Loot Boxes'. If everyone does not, it will disappear. +1



Interstellar
runup said:

I do not buy games with paid 'Loot Boxes'. If everyone does not, it will disappear. +1

This is the real way to deal with the issue, not the government. The fact is chance can be a fun thing in games, for instance I loved farming items in Diablo 2, even though it was a game of chance on whether or not anything good dropped. It should be up to us to dictate what we want in a game, and if people keep buying these games that wall content behind DLC and what not, then they'll keep getting it...



Interstellar

So if I go in the street and offer a game with 1 chance out of 2 to win a watch and in the other case win a dice, for 50$, this is not gambling ?

I'm sure the police will agree ! LOL